+- +-


Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Forgot your password?



combat32 says: Happy Labor Day
Brew Beerymore says: Cheers, 17'ers!
combat32 says: Happy 4th
combat32 says: Happy Memorial Day
Thank you to all our Veterans past, present and future ones.
combat32 says: Kentucky derby time
says: Try again lol,   ???Is this the bathroom?
says: ??? Is the the bathroom?
combat32 says: ehh freakin snow I hate it bring on summer
newf84 says: Cheers everyone!!
combat32 says: I like it!!  Just Brew It!

+-Top Posters

Posts: 4176
Posts: 3672
Posts: 2865
Posts: 2766
Greedy Dragon Brewing
Posts: 2496

Author Topic: Been a while since I posted but I have some updates!  (Read 1363 times)


  • Jr. Member

  • Offline
  • **
  • Alcohol enthusiast!

  • 66
Been a while since I posted but I have some updates!
« on: August 28, 2016, 07:06:06 PM »
My recipe is pretty set.  But, I am playing with some minor changes.  So I will put up the questions I have to determine what to do next.  I will also share my recipe with any who would like to contact me.  I don't plan on making money on my recipes but would like to keep my options open...

I am changing out the yeasts I use and found that the montrachet yeast changes the flavor to almost a granny smith style flavor.  I am also looking for other ideas that could be good changes to the flavor palate by using alternate yeast strains.

I am adding in raisins to the recipe and wondered how many people have done this to help with either fermentation and/or flavor.

Lastly I have not ever used tea leaves to help with the yeast nutrients.  Is there any flavor ramification?  How much should be used per gallon/3.8 liters(for my non-US companions)? 
I have mixed drinks about feelings.


  • Hero Member

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 902
Re: Been a while since I posted but I have some updates!
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2016, 06:33:53 AM »
#1- I am assuming we are talking about your cider recipe because of the reference to 'Granny Smith' flavor- which I remember as fairly tart and almost a 'baking ' apple, as in 'pie', right?
#2- IMHO- The perfect yeast would leave a cider with a pleasant apple flavor, no alcohol bite, and not overly sweet at the finish- correct. I mean we don't want apple juice- we aren't kids here, right? I have used this- http://labelpeelers.com/wine-making/wine-yeast/red-star/pasteur-champagne-red-star-wine-yeast/
They also have a large selection of 'cider' yeast available, so have fun!
#3- I have not used raisins in ciders (but I have in my meads to feed the yeast). The main reason is the ciders are so fast from pitch to glass and the meads take months to develop and mature. I think the raisins help the yeast but that would be another experiment in ciders.
#4- I have not used tea in cider or mead, but if I did it would be Constant Comment. The citric element in this tea would be a plus to any cider or mead. But consider- one tea bag makes maybe 2 cups of tea. The cost would be crazy, so just grind up some oranges, lemons, limes, etc. and save some $. The tannins in a tea can be purchased at the LHBS or just add oak chips or swirls- same thing (I read that some where- http://www.hardciderhub.com/hard-aaple-cider-tannins/).
#5- Remember- if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If you are like myself as far as loving what I make and always 'tweaking' recipes- go to and have fun! But if you have a winner recipe (as in competition grade), be careful not to mess it up. Hope this helps & 17!


  • Master Brewer
  • Superhero Member

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 4176
Re: Been a while since I posted but I have some updates!
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2016, 07:58:46 AM »
i use raisins in may ciders. I add probably 1 cup to may fermenter.
my dad and uncle made ciders in a 55 gallon barrel a loooonnngggg time ago.
from what they have told me and others is the blend of apples is important.
i think it was a mix ratio of 60 - 40- 10 - 10 i will have to ask if they remember the apple varieties.
they also told me their cider was magic and people would have one glass and be wasted.  ::)
they used the wild yeast from the apples. i remember sneaking a sip it was good had a fizziness to it probably didnt finish fermenting. but my dad tried my ciders and said they aren't as good as theirs was. mine came in at 12%abv i used montrachet yeast and kegged it. i liked it and my dad got tipsy on it a few times. so its not magical cider like theirs ::) but it gets the job done 8)
Keg 1- Coconut Pale ale
Keg 2- GaardenHoe
Keg 3- Sour Cherry Gose
Keg 4- HB Hefeweizen
Keg 5- Mosaic lager
Keg 6- Drooling Dog IPA
Keg 7-
FV1- NB Oktoberfest


  • Jr. Member

  • Offline
  • **
  • Alcohol enthusiast!

  • 66
Re: Been a while since I posted but I have some updates!
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2016, 01:44:53 PM »
Thanks guys.  No reason to worry.  I keep all my attempts and write down the improvements and disappointments so I can either duplicate or avoid in the future.

My ciders are consistently right at 8% alcohol so they finish without too much of an alcohol taste.  I keep a watchful eye on the sugar content of all my recipes and my OG/SG is damn near the same every time.  They won't normally put you down with a single drink but I have made a 17% New England Cider which knocked a couple of my friends on their butts.

As for the experimenting...  Hell yeah I love this part.  I have my base recipe but looking for minor tweaks for options such as winter versions or wine strength options.  I am moving away from using non-organic options such as tannins or acid blend so I wanted to play with old school choices like adding raisins and tea. 

You mentioned oranges, lemons and limes...  Have you put these in any recipes?  If so how do you put them into the mix?  During the heating stage?  When you poured it into the fermenter? 
I have mixed drinks about feelings.


  • Hero Member

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 902
Re: Been a while since I posted but I have some updates!
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2016, 08:36:13 PM »
I don't usually heat ciders since I use the cheapest store concentrate and just let it thaw. I have used oranges and lemons, something about the acidic content works wonders balancing the sweetness of apples. But what I did was mash the heck out of the slices (sliced to fit into the fermenting bottle) to bust all the little juice sacks (it's a science term, HaHa). If you don't bust those little sacks, the orange or lemon juice is trapped in them and won't help your cider. I haven't used limes because the store didn't have any when I made this batch, I wanted to use one of each with the apple concentrate. I really don't care for plain apple cider (too sweet), so I was looking for something to take that edge off. It's the same with Coka-Cola, it is way too sweet, but with a little rum, it is wonderful, IMHO.
Oh yea- ground grape seeds are a natural source of tannins- https://www.fresnostate.edu/jcast/ve/documents/outreach/Grape%20Seed-page%2039.pdf
and yeast energizer is just dried, dead yeast cells (trub) with some extra chemicals thrown in- http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=234880
 I read this stuff doing research on meads (which I may start making again because I found a youtube that shows start to finish in about 30 days- which is about how long my beers are taking (even these small batches of 10 Liters). And mead is a higher octane.
The 1 Month Mead or BOMM- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1gJmPsaSFE&index=2&list=FLrg2L-y6XWyVklWTNbuWURA
I don't know if any of this will help you, but I love the experiments and I will be making that 30 day mead just for the hell of it! Have fun & 17!


  • Jr. Member

  • Offline
  • **
  • Alcohol enthusiast!

  • 66
Re: Been a while since I posted but I have some updates!
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2016, 08:43:34 PM »
Awesome suggestions!  Thanks for the ideas and the articles to read.  Good information.  I will try some of these out and post results.
I have mixed drinks about feelings.


Recent Topics

Hop harvesting time! by DrHans
September 22, 2018, 11:33:01 AM

My best BIPA recipe and reviewing a beer mail BIPA by DrHans
September 22, 2018, 11:32:11 AM

Computer problems!!! by DavidWhorton
September 20, 2018, 03:40:23 PM

Brewed a lager with 40% rice [VIDEO] by combat32
September 17, 2018, 07:39:12 AM

Happy Home Brew Wednesday 2-21-18 by combat32
September 15, 2018, 06:16:03 PM

What did you just pour? New Thread by combat32
September 15, 2018, 05:19:46 PM

Newbie at wine, have questions on fermenter size. by combat32
September 14, 2018, 10:08:02 AM

Harley Brew Drooling Dog IPA rev5 by combat32
September 12, 2018, 07:44:26 AM

Windsor yeast finished after one day? by BDRJ
September 10, 2018, 01:27:07 PM

Stout taste challenge! by Hplovecraft07
September 10, 2018, 12:25:26 PM

What's everyone brewing?? by combat32
September 07, 2018, 07:53:29 PM

Temp Controller Suggestion by jcordero7713
September 07, 2018, 05:28:44 PM

Pale Malt, cascade, amarillo and simcoe by Hobrr
September 03, 2018, 03:46:36 PM

What are some good kits? by Jaymcmlxx
September 02, 2018, 08:48:23 PM

Fridge for kegs by James2851
September 01, 2018, 10:28:45 PM

Craig by Jaymcmlxx
September 01, 2018, 06:39:26 PM

Let's see your hop plants!! by combat32
September 01, 2018, 06:13:25 PM

What happens if you ferment a beer at 42C (107,6F) [VIDEO] by DrHans
August 31, 2018, 12:15:08 PM

Coconut NEIPA [VIDEO] by DrHans
August 31, 2018, 12:14:22 PM

We got hop cones! by DrHans
August 27, 2018, 01:07:30 PM

Next brew Idea by M0nk3y
August 26, 2018, 12:27:53 PM

apple juice clear when sunshine hits it by beerinplace
August 24, 2018, 03:32:18 PM

"Real" Breakfast Stout - Grain to glass [VIDEO] by DrHans
August 24, 2018, 01:41:08 AM

IBU's and pre-hopped kits by Vin5 WV
August 23, 2018, 04:51:50 PM

Larger Mini Fridge by RadioAstronomyObserver
August 22, 2018, 07:41:09 PM

First Brew Help by DrHans
August 22, 2018, 02:37:50 PM

Pellets Vs Whole by jimmyjusa
August 22, 2018, 12:34:29 AM

The BIPA that turned into a Stout [VIDEO] by DrHans
August 21, 2018, 02:37:08 PM

Plaato airlock unboxing [VIDEO] by DrHans
August 17, 2018, 01:22:17 AM

Brewing a Lager in under 3 days [VIDEO] by DrHans
August 15, 2018, 01:21:19 AM

Corn sugar by combat32
August 14, 2018, 07:42:41 AM

Gear review Mini CO2 Gas Regulator [VIDEO] by DrHans
August 13, 2018, 11:30:27 AM

Adding grains to in prove a extract kit by Jaymcmlxx
August 12, 2018, 07:13:34 AM

Brewed my pumpkin this weekend by combat32
August 09, 2018, 07:45:50 AM

Beer mail from Combat32, Christmas Ale by combat32
August 08, 2018, 07:41:42 AM

Question for Mac: How do Nano Breweries fly sparge by Macdonald
August 06, 2018, 07:07:13 PM

Well here they are by Macdonald
August 06, 2018, 07:03:45 PM

Bottle day by MichaelSingleton
July 28, 2018, 03:07:55 PM

Beer Keg by vic
July 25, 2018, 05:14:25 AM

Stout taste test by Hplovecraft07
July 21, 2018, 01:27:38 PM

Hop Rhizomes and plants by combat32
July 19, 2018, 11:40:50 AM

Lost another LHBS by Black Dog Brewery
July 18, 2018, 06:48:26 PM

17 Cream Ale - all grain by Brew Beerymore
July 14, 2018, 05:35:16 AM

Proper way to plant multiple hop Rhizomes by Black Dog Brewery
July 12, 2018, 10:33:49 PM

Bottle conditioning problem by Brew Beerymore
July 09, 2018, 02:51:24 PM

I start working at my LHBS by Brew Beerymore
July 09, 2018, 08:02:41 AM

Mashing/Boiling Question by combat32
July 08, 2018, 09:09:58 AM

Courgette/zucchini wine.....? by combat32
July 07, 2018, 08:05:23 PM

Brewing with Breakfast Cereal? by DrHans
July 01, 2018, 12:28:30 PM

Update on my hops! [VIDEO] by DrHans
June 29, 2018, 11:48:12 AM

Welcome by combat32
June 28, 2018, 08:42:31 AM

Flaked Rice by combat32
June 28, 2018, 08:35:14 AM

My Best Way to Pasteurize Fruit for Brewing! by DrHans
June 26, 2018, 11:32:17 AM

Howdy from a New York Red Neck by Brew Beerymore
June 24, 2018, 09:55:54 AM

Beer Head by combat32
June 23, 2018, 09:10:26 PM

Powered by EzPortal