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Brewing a White Stout
« on: January 03, 2019, 06:14:14 PM »
The first time I had a Black IPA I was totally shocked by the misleading color.  If I had been blindfolded, I would have thought the beer that I was tasting was a west coast IPA.

In fact, most people who dislike a porter or a stout won't even try a Black IPA once they see how dark it is.  Boy are they missing out on a great IPA.  Regardless, I have been hooked on the style ever since.

A couple of months ago I purchased a variety 12-pack that contained a Black IPA, and I started to think . . . What if I could brew a stout that was blonde / straw / or even pale?

WOW would that fool people !   Thus was born my latest experiment . . .

I surprisingly found approx 12 recipes for a White Stout on the web, but after reading through them I noticed a lot of similarities.  I decided to plug each recipe into an Excel spreadsheet so I could trim down the number of similarities and options.

With a little tweaking of the grain bills, hops, and adjuncts, I narrowed the list down to fit into 3 very distinct recipes.

The yeast starter for RECIPE #1 is doing nicely and will be ready for brewday this Saturday.

I'm hoping I don't have to tweak the amount of specialty grains or adjuncts on the fly, but I am really going to be keeping an eye on the color of my recirc lines during the mash.  If the wort starts getting too dark I am going to have to stop adding anymore of those particular color contributing ingredients to the mash and pray the beer still comes out tasting like a stout.

I will keep the group updated as to how it turns out before I move onto RECIPE #2.
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Re: Brewing a White Stout
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2019, 07:49:18 PM »
The color of the mash-out for RECIPE #1 of my White Stout experiment came out pretty nice.  The wort simply looks like any other non-stout or non-porter wort like an IPA or a Lager.

I knew the Crystal 20 wasn't going to add much color, but I was afraid about adding a smoked malt.  I ended up purchasing the smoked malt from Weyermann because it is only about 2L or 3L of color.  A roasted malt would have killed the experiment.

I have 2 pics of the wort from brew day, and also a pic of the coffee beans and the cacao nibs that I have sanitizing in a pint of vanilla flavored vodka which will be added when I secondary next weekend . . .
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Re: Brewing a White Stout
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2019, 07:56:40 PM »
nice, looks wierd for a stout  ;)
Keg 1- HB Cream Ale
Keg 2- Chocolate Milk Stout
Keg 3- HB Peach Sour
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Re: Brewing a White Stout
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2019, 04:06:01 PM »
White stout is on the bucket list for sure!

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Re: Brewing a White Stout
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2019, 08:12:28 PM »
Not good.  Has aroma defects.

Shame on me for not brewing a small 2.5 gallon batch of this experimental brew.

All I did was see that all of the recipes on the internet had the same ingredients in common with each other in very close proportions, and then I averaged them to form a recipe for my brew day.

There were no MAJOR grain bill differences between any of the recipes.

This is a perfect example of how somebody posts a recipe for something unique, then the recipe propagates to other sites throughout the web even though it doesn't qualify to be served in a tasting room.

The beer pours clear with an SRM of approx 12 like an IPA.  The taste of coffee and chocolate are perfect with a little bit of roasted flavor from the smoked grains, but the aroma is too unappealing.  Not like an acetone type of defect.  Just a really poor combination of aromas that came from the cacao nibs and the coffee beans.

I barely have any free time from work as it is.  So a 2nd attempt to tweak the recipe is not going to happen.

Oh well . . . It's still very drinkable, but nothing to share or brew again.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2019, 08:14:12 PM by Black Dog Brewery »
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Re: Brewing a White Stout
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2019, 07:40:28 AM »
too bad Black Dog, but take it as a learning experiment.
I have had a few one gallon test batches that i thought were good at first then BAM not so good.  :(  our time is important since brewdays can take 5-6hrs for all grain. Well maybe another brew to try in the fall.  spring is upon us so time for some IPA's and lawnmower beers  :) 
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Keg 3- HB Peach Sour
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Re: Brewing a White Stout
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2019, 07:15:50 PM »
Exactly Combat32.

It's so easy to criticize somebody else's brew without bringing your own creations to the tasting table.  That's what I love about this site.  People make great beers and people sometimes make mistakes, but no criticisms.

This one admittedly sucks . . . But not if you hold your nose while taking an awesome taste of the first sip which is filled with coffee and chocolate notes.

Oh well.

It's not worth taking my Beer Gun out for bottling, but I will include a bottle when I ship you my Black Dog Brewery Vanilla Bean Bourbon Barrel Porter where I substituted the oak staves from your Jack Daniels barrel instead of the normal medium toasted oak cubes that I use.

Thanks for the "barrel mail".  The flavor of the beer after sitting on the oak for 2 months is noticeably different, but in a good way.
Cheers & 17,

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